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I guess the topic title says it all. Are there any other Conspiracy Theorists on here?
I'm not sure where exactly I fall on the spectrum but I definitely enjoy reading CT websites.
Anyway, if there are others like me who think there might be something to what the CT's say, let's talk.
Conspiracy theory is hard to measure.
You'll probably get better responses to your question if you specify which ones.
For example, do I think the government is trying deliberately to make us all sick? No, even a stockman knows enough to keep the cattle and sheep fed for slaughter.
Do I think there is a conspiracy to wipe out the world's population? You only need to look at what happened after the Plague in Europe during the middle ages to find your answers. I'll give you a few hints, though: The elite saved themselves, for the most part, and most of whom died were peasants. That reduced the working population. That means you need to pay your working people more and that they have more rights. They stop being human resources and become human assets. Think about it: Why would these corporate elite want to decrease their number of wage slaves, people who do their bidding in droves, knowing they are expendable? A really high population serves the elite, it doesn't damage it. The elite and the top 1% are what they are on the backs of everyone else. Without you and I and everyone else the top 1% are nothing, and they are also smart enough to know it.
Your entitlements users may *have* nothing without us, but the top 1% *are* nothing without us, and without the scarcity that makes their wealth worth something. Without a seemingly endless supply of population, the top 1% has no support, and loses its edge. That conspiracy is entirely flat.
The lunar landing conspiracy? That would make Buzz Aldridge and Neal Armstrong liars multiple times after the fact, and to what purpose? Cover-ups conceal treasures, hidden access, wonders, weapons of war. I find the lunar landing conspiracy most preposterous of all.
Now these are probably debunkings you haven't heard before, at least not the reasoning.
But there's a conspiracy of Religion and Economy. Marx was a fool, and force me not to count the ways. However, he particularly had it wrong about religion being the opiate of the masses. It is no opiate: it's often the cocaine by which we fight each others wars, take land from some and give it to others, shed any sense of honor in favor of rationalizing the ridiculous and the obscene. But it only does this once it has been capitalized, and is the maiden of the economic powers. All three monotheistic religions have their enormous backers, and two of the three are the most popular, and one of the three owns more property, houses, land, infrastructure, guns, tanks, and armory than any sovereign government or nation.
It's not a conspiracy, but we have given up national sovereignty to multinational corporate interests and to multinational megachurches, who at the same time exercise power and play the victim as though they were under the boot. At the same time they exercise power and fear in the most dishonorable ways, and elicit sympathy for their poor dear little heads from the sheople.
None of that is a conspiracy, it's there if one is willing to look and do a little math.
Anyone who wants to can finance a political campaign. China could single-handedly pay for a candidate and win an election. Israel could do so for another. And Saudi Arabia could pay for a third. Then we could be a hideous four-way vortex nexus of three rock-throwing deities and one creditor holding a sizable bill that collects interest.
I don't think any of this is a conspiracy though. Just follow the money, something I have tried to impress upon my daughter regarding voting. It matters more who is paying for the candidate than it does what that candidate says or claims. You vote for someone, you are voting in the will of his or her primary sponsors, because nothing is free, ever was, or ever will be. Two things motivate people: economic security (peace, land and bread, promised by the Bolsheviks of the 1920s), or god(s). The latter is what is most motivating in the U.S. since the Big Three monotheistic religions have the ability to incite fear and do all sorts of things others before them were incapable of on such a massive scale. If you won't be fooled by brush fires about tiny groups like gay people having rights, then for them they'd rather you be fooled by some of the above-mentioned conspiracies.
It was among the Faithful that I first learned there were followers of these conspiracies in numbers.
My recent reading has been to learn how our pre-Roman-conquered ancestors met with this, and why. I believe Sweden was the last, in the 6th century or so, to be conquered/converted. Those people understood what most of us don't anymore.
We are in a perpetual 1984, but we're not socialists and could never be so as a people. Our wars are not against Eurasia and Oceana: they are the wars of the gods, the Big Three fighting it out for competition on the schoolyard as to whose dad can beat up whose. It was once that the Christians and Muslims for a time were allies against the Jews. Now we have Christians and Jews against Muslims. I have no doubt some fool can give us all a fable and turn Muslim and Jew against Christian.
The economic machinery of corporate multinational conglomerates couldnot care less about any of these childish antics: they only serve to provide the elbow room so they can gain their own sovereignty.
You should be concerned with government overreaching its power. But that should apply to the Corporations and the Church as well. All three spheres are brutes, and we are humans. Humans hold brutes in check.
These have become my solid conclusions over the past ten years.
Another question: Why FEMA camps?
Hitler was stupid to put many of its citizens out of production and into concentration camps, and to take others out of the front lines and have them monitor the camps. We were equally stupid for doing this to productive Japanese-American citizens. It's a positively stupid thing to do and makes no really economic sense. In an age where some corporations own more land and assets than many nations, why? I want to know what people think the benefit of said camps would be to anybody.
Only religions make up stories about beings who just do bad things in order to do bad things. We're human: there's always a reason, and usually an economic one.
I'm not poking fun at you, I just want to know why you think they would benefit from such an expense?
I like your thinking Leo. Smile.
I think reading about these are like the village gossip. Someone says, Hey, did you know a group is trying to wipe out fresh fruit? Really? Is the response, and there it goes.
Unless you research what you've read it is gossip.
Before 9/11, there were raging conspiracies about cover-ups at Pearl Harbor, about secret alliances, and oh so many things that have been forgotten in the new era.
I wonder how many of the 9/11 Truthers can be found among the Faithful? That would break their 1984 war of the gods they so need to keep their numbers strong.
The thing with most conspiracies is that they're too horrible to even think about the possibility of them being true.
Do I think we landed on the moon? Absolutely.
Do I think aliens landed at Roswell? I think something happened there.
Do I believe Lee Harvey Ozwald acted alone? Absolutely not.
Do I believe 911 was an inside job? That's one of those that is just too horrific to even contemplate.
Do I trust the government? Hell no.
Do I think they would purposefully release a pandemic to thin the population? Yep.
Do I think they would round up Tea Partiers and other conservatives who they now consider to be political advosaries and put us in camps or something ? I certainly hope not.
Do I believe in UFO's? Absolutely.
Do yall all think I'm crazy by now? Most likely. lol
Crazy, no, whoefully under-informed about the state of reality, absolutely.
People want their to be conspiracies because it means someone is in control. It means A. they have someone to blame, and B. they don't have to admit that something might just happen. They don't want to admit that a single guy with a rifle could have killed the president. I really don't understand why they can't admit that, since one guy with a pistol killed the president twice before that, and nearly succeeded once after that. They never think of a president Reagan conspiracy, only kenedy.
Are there conspiracies, yes, absolutely. For example, there is the butter conspiracy and the butter barons. Google it, its funny to think about. However, that does not mean that everything is a conspiracy, or that even most things are a conspiracy.
Finally, one last question, how is it that you can readily admit that you think they (and by they I assume you mean the government) would willingly release a plague to thin the population, but 9-11 being an inside job, that's just too horrific to think about? How does that make logical sense to you? Of course, asking conspiracy theorist for logical sense is probably a sign I'm going insane, but what can you do.
Just a random thing here, and the very last post alone made me think about it. This doesn't have a ton of substance, fair warning.
I've noticed something strange with the JFK thing. There are certain phrases that never vary when people, Americans in particular, discuss it. There's the "acted alone" thing, and there's the "Presidential motorcade" thing as well. Both of those are perfectly reasonable things to say, but why do I so rarely hear, "Do you think Lee Harvey Oswald had an accomplice?"? And why is it a motorcade they were travelling in when you pretty much never hear that word otherwise?
I dunno. It probably has no significance but I've always thought it strange. In my head, I almost always think of those words - "acted alone" and "motorcade", in italics or big capitals or something.
...And, yeah, that's it. Told you it wasn't all that substantive.
So Domestic Goddess, I don't know how much you know or don't know about labor and the economics of scarcity, but I am curious.
If the government decided to thin the population, that would make every single person left a lot more valuable. No more expendables. Why would they want to do that? Our current economic system, capitalism, the economics of scarcity, the labor pool as we have it, everything the elite depends upon, would be ruined with a destroyed population.
The rich are rich because they know how to manage resources, not how to waste them. Sorry, the thinning the population thing sounds like what a poor mismanager of resources would do. Even in our economy, we still need people to sweep the streets, take out the garbage, and do any number of other low-end jobs. And we need people who are educated enough to work in the high tech factories and other industries. We need enough people so that everyone feels expendable and wages can be kept low. This is the economics of scarcity.
If you read how hard it was for the nobility after the Black Plague, you may get a picture of this. Had the Plague not happened, the renaissance and ultimately the middle class may not have.
I know I'm asking you to think beyond ideology, asking for something bigger than "Because they're bad people," because I am genuinely curious how and why.
For the record, most of us don't trust the government, or trust the church, or trust the corporations. I find it convenient that conspiracy theorists are willing to bow the knee to two out of the three. They are all three machines. Machines are to be monitored, tuned, and updated, not trusted. Your love of liberty does you no good at all if you trust any of the three. Not everything is the government's problem, especially not in a republic, especially not where multinational corporations act as sovereign states more often than not, and especially where religion and politics are so tightly linked that we in America now have what the Catholics of the High Middle Ages had.
The tea party scare? But again, a pretty expensive solution, and to what problem? And with what resources? Name me one republican government, e.g. one government that is a republic, who has done this. Excluding false flags like the Soviet Union. I'm sure the IRS problems will continue to be investigated. And why the Tea Party? Were you a conspiracy theorist when the Bush Administration had its way with people who disagreed with them?
I also assume there is probably life elsewhere in the cosmos: what has been done before can be done again, and probably has somewhere else. I'm not so terracentric as to assume they would automatically come to find us. The universe is a big place.
Anyway I'm curious about the above questions, if you will accept the challenge. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.
SW, I'm not sure I can answer your first question, but the reason they use the word motorcade so much is because its what its called when you have a blockade of motor vehicles. It wasn't just one car, it was, if I remember the numbers correctly, nearly twenty vehicles. So that's called a motorcade. Add to that the fact that the president was riding in it, and you get presidential motorcade. Make sense?
So, what yall have discovered here is that I'm really not that smart or well read. lol Fortunately, I never professed to be. I've never been much into philosophy so really can't answer allot of the questions yall posed. I'm not really even a die hard conspiracy theorist. I just think it's interesting to read their websites. Pretty much what I've learned is that for every argument for something, there will be 4 arguments against it and vice-versa. I was mainly just wondering if anyone else found ct's interesting.
Cody, a motorcade by definition is a convoy, an escort or entourage of vehicles. It's an appropriate word, by all means, but it is almost exclusively used in the JFK thing over other synonyms, and almost never used elsewhere in my own experience. That's what I was commenting on, not as a conspiracy theory but purely as an oddity.
Ah, I see what you mean. Well, it is used a lot in the kenedy story. However, its also used in pretty much every presidential story when he's in a car. It just isn't a very frequently used word, so I can see your point.
motorcade , as I know is used lots period. Anytime a star, celeberty, business owner request police escort, or has security when they travel, and has lots of cars, this is called a motorcade .
Here in Denver, people travel with security all the time.
Domestic, you are really smart, so don't sale yourself short just because you enjoy reading and thinking about these things. Sometimes they might even have some valid points.
You seem to be a reasonable thinking person, and that is smart.
Precisely. And I posed to you the practical, not philosophical, questions of motivation because I think you are probably smart enough to ferret out the answers.
Especially on that depopulation myth. Why would an elite, who depends on the backs of countless millions, wish to decimate them all? No society can function with just elites, or just smart people, etc. You can even see this destruction in urban planning where housing is all expensive, and nobody poorer can live near there, then the rich have nobody to work for them and so they move, leaving nice houses to become slums in a few years.
Truth is, economy as it stands needs a lot of servants. Are you guys proposing the economics of scarcity would be no more? Or what is the practical motivation?
I wouldn't have bothered raising my pragmatist questions if I didn't think you smart enough to respond. I'm not arguing, I'm asking very relevant why questions that, if you could explain, you would get my attention. I'm not in love with any philosophy. But you have to show me a working model, how it would work, and why they would want to. Because economics as I understand them now, require a vast number of expendable population for a work force. Can you imagine, for instance, if you had just a few people available to swwp streets or take out garbage? Now they would have to be worth more, and you know top one percenters aren't going to want that. Their strength comes in having enough population to choose, and keep everyone else feeling expendable.
This isn't the case of one argument being met with another. It's a case of two and two make four. Leave fluff bunny philosophy to them, and dare to answer the practical considerations. It's because we think youi can that we've bothered asking these things.
Aww, yall are sweet. Let me ponder and put together something that might make sense. I'll get back to ya.
the jfk thing. have you read or heard about the man with the umbrella?he was photographed he is seen as tsriling his unmbrella. some believe he was giving the second shooter the go ahead. there is more. so look it up. femma camps are real. leo failed to mention they are all close to railroad stations, that are all fenced in with bob wier, have cams, and look more like prisons then anything else. there is also the millions of caskets femma has stored in land in georgia. what are they for? do they know something the publicdoes not?
recently homeland made a purchase of millions of rounds, bullets. not just any type but the kind whcih goes through vest. nasty bullets. for what?
lastley, food for thought. who do you think would go first, are an easypopulation to gather up, and are,"weak?" 33million american receive some kind of check from the social security admin. 25 million americans are on food stamps. recently the goverment is closed. if they do not raise the bebt ceiling. no checks for us. n0 to mention for the elderley
What I want to know is the reason. Extermination of all benefits recipients would have serious consequences for the economy. 33 million people is a lot of people: a lot of food bought each month, a lot of housing paid for, etc., all taken away from business at that point. I don't believe the government gives you your charity checks out of compassion. It does so to keep the businesses you patronize happy.
If they were going to exterminate the weak, wouldn't they just kill them? Housing them in these camps would be expensive.
I haven't seen these camps, nor have I heard eyewitness accounts from anyone I know who can see and saw these. But assuming they do exist, how do you know it's FEMA?
FEMA typicaaly works with state and local agencies using its Incident Command System, where authority during an incident is as localized as possible. When people ask where the feds are during an incident, it's typically because the locals have not asked for the feds yet.
Anyway, I'm not being antagonistic here. I am genuinely asking these questions because they are things that always come to mind when I hear about this stuff.
Again, study the Black Plague in Europe, beyond the details of the sickness. Study what happened to the economy after the fact, what happened to nobility's feudal advantage, and so on. We now have a different type of feudal system, it's corporate communism, where the good of the corporation is seen over anything else. Why would they do anything to disadvantage their situation?
Lower classes are not, as people say, useless eaters. I have heard that word in the conspiracy movement. They are an important part of the economic machinery both as laborers and consumers. Without them, the elite has nothing.
The elite are the ones who want your borders open and illegal immigration coming in, because it keeps wages down and consumption up. How does this depletion of human resources serve to give the Lords of Corporations these things? This I am genuinely curious about.
The government is nothing without corporate sponsors now, so it can't be said to be a battle between government and business. That battle is a myth anyway: there are just skirmishes between parts of government and some kinds of business. But in modern contexts, government without deep pockets in business is neutered and ineffective. Nanny State and Nanny Church are completely reliant on business for their every meal, since they don't produce anything themselves.
Anybody who can answer my questions coherently would by definition make a conspiracy theorist out of me, because I refuse to argue with actual evidence. Alex Jones or the Truthers claiming there is a Bilderberg Satanic ritual conspiracy isn't evidence.
For the record, I think everyone knows something is terribly wrong. Your Glenn Beck types will say that it is you on benefits. Your Alex Jones types will say there's some Satanic conspiracy of some kind. Some people implicate the Jew.
I personally think that we have submitted ourselves to a type of corporate communism, where we give all for the ideal of corporate sovereignty. And these, knowing it, can continue to have nations pay for the corporations' wars, while they evade paying taxes to any nation state at all. Someday, people will look back at us and wonder why the masses looked up to these treasonous top-heavies instead of just stringing them up from the nearest yard-arm.
Honestly, I think the holocaust deniers have more credibility than some of these conspiracy theorists. At least some of them are asking the right logical questions, about where six million bodies were disposed of, how six million could have been killed and still leave enough of a Jewish population to create the new Jewish state. I'm not a holocaust denier, but those are logical questions.
Running. Fully operational. You can look it up and find the president explaining the purpose for them.
Your argument that the corporations and the poor have a symbiotic relationship has several flaws. First, most if not all corporations all have investors. Those investors fund them. The money, in theory comes from the top down to the bottom. Voodoo economics and the trickle down theory. They wealth of this country is gotten by one percent of the population. We, 33 million folk who receive checks are only taking goods from stores when we spend our monies. Those monies in return go back to the same people who put at in the first place. The Federal Reserve is operated not by us but a group of banks. Those banks have the Duponts, the Rockefellers, and several families behind them.
If they were to get rid of lets say 33 million recipients. Yes some business would feel the pinch but those who are the wealthiest would feel another type of pinch. One of their burdens being lessens by themnot paying. Since they are they ones printing the money. Setting the economic agenda.
Agenda 21 three hundred page plan developed by the United Nations. A step by step plan to regulate population alongside civil liberties. Source: http://www.thedailysheeple.com/agenda-21-fema-camps-2013-depopulation-plans-in-america_092013
Femma camps activated: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iRfuyn8EOCs
For those of you lucky enough to have eye site. Take a look. For the rest of us, take a listen. True accounts, not just some crazy person screaming,” Jesus is coming!”125 thousand disposable caskets. Being stored in Georgia. Temporary morgues have been also been set up.
Economy. Our economy is unique, living, moving changing one. Housing some 33 million Americans in these camps will generate income, jobs, and currency for all of our economy. Halaber,(misspelled) is actively building these camps.
The Rockefeller family, along with other influential and powerful families is tired of supporting the lower percentage of the population. Advances in medicine, along with pharmaceutical manufacturing drugs are not meant to accommodate all of the American population, how many amputees do you know who are retrofitted with a working, bionic limb? Some of our military service men and women do have them. But, in the general public. Those Medicare and medicate clients do not have the luxury of affording such a limb. Nor, are we placed in a position to benefit from some of the latest medical advancements.
Let’s face it folk, there is only so much pie and not enough slices.
I'd be interested in actual government documentation. The vids were mainly a creation of Alex Jones. I find your ideas interesting in the short term. But after these people are gone, all eliminated, depending on your theory as to which ones that will be, then what? The elite still require a huge working class to maintain their elite status. Create just enough workers and now those workers are no longer expendable as we all are now. Now they are each worth a lot more.
Ironically, the same groups that say these elites want to kill the handicapped, have their own issues with people with disabilities. They're simply using benefits recipients as a pawn in their story, although they themselves would take those benefits away from you in a heartbeat. Maybe not put you in a camp, but nonetheless you'd be out.
Thanks for responding though.
Alex Jones was the first thing I thought of when I saw this topic. Didn't he make a documentary about how 9-11 in and of itself was a conspiracy that was planned by the Government? I'm not in contact with my dad, but when I was I know he was a huge fan of Jones and his radio show.
leo, as u know the u s of a imports most of its goods. we have nafta. so mesico along other south american countries bring us fruits and vegies. we also have canada we trade with. walmart does not get the bulk of its goods from local sources. it is importeded. we, in theory do need some workers. but, my idea is niot that the 99 percent of americans who are not wealthy are goin t be locked up. my idea is this.
the term homeland was firt used by hitler. he like us wanted t protect his borders. he too like us wanted a a small percentage of his peoples t be the elite. we ha e this via the distribution of wealth. he, like us allocatted certain resources to the very eleite. we, are doing the same. tell me that i were to lose a leg i coulg get a bionic one? nope i would get a pplastic one. tell me i have the same chances of being first on a transplant list. just look at former v vice pres. dick chaney. at his age he got a new heart.
can you eexplain cwhhy the U N has thepower to disarm ux, ux citizens? look it up. they can knock on uour door and ask for uyour guns. why did bush compose the patriot act. giving him king powers over all of the u s of a? marshall law takes away all of our rights.why do they have the fisa power? the ability to enter your home witout your presence. to go through your mail. lookat the latest leaker from the n s a.
i hopue u took the time to lpook up some f this info if i am mistaken please crrect m me.
as for they need workers. dude, havent u heard about just hpow many imported workers are maning the hotels/resorts in key west? the locals are getting hit by high rents. they can no longer afford to work and live there. so they import workers.
we dont require million of poplw to assur the shelvs get stocked. look at kurzwile's page. we have robots being jolted together by different institutions. wake up leosorry for all the mispeled words. havibg issues with my diealyses and the shakes. ty again gizmo
While their is a lot of bs in the conspiracy movement, people also seem to have gotten a lot of things right.
Look at all the things Edward snoden's leaks have proven true, that people were called crackpots for believing. That info now proven true is giving the USA's reputation one hell of a wallop.
Apart from that, we've got the truth that no ship was sunk by the spanish in 1812, the FBI poisoned liquor during prohibition, we practiced eugenics in the united states, sterilizing hundreds of thousands of people for various reasons with out their permission, or even knowledge in many cases... hitler was influenced by the american eugenics movement. Support for the Vietnam war was drummed up threw partially false information/testimony. Only one ship was attacked, not two. Support for the original Iraq war was created in part by a false witness testifying to congress about babies being thrown out of incubators, and other horrors being committed by Iraq's soldiers.
The CIA payed journalists to publish articles against communism to sway public opinion. IBM created and sold the computer system to the nazis that made it possible to run the concentration camps as effectively as they did.
their are more true, and a lot less that are not. those are just the first ones to come to mind.
Did you really just say there was no ship sunk by the Spanish in 1812? I'm going to assume you're being sarcastic.
One thing I've never gotten an answer for from people who believe these moronic ideas is this. If the government created this huge conspiracy, often being willing to kill presidents to keep it a secret, how the fuck are you still alive? Why, if this is such a big government secret, hasn't your computer blown up and killed you? And what's more, if its a government shut down, how did you find out about it? You think they just leave those things lying around for any tom dick or harry to find on google?
Maybe the ship he is talking about is the titanic, maybe that iceberg was Spanish in origin.
Bob
If he is, that's even worse. I think he's talking about The USS Maine, sunk in 1897. The Titanic was sunk in 1912, a full century after his date. So I'm sticking with sarcastic.
Ah but most of what we get with the conspiracy types is a clever firing off of clichés like a junior with an automatic weapon. I have never to date gotten coherent responses from any of them, they simply retreat into the hidey hole known as "Well that is just my opinion and it's what I believe ..." and so on.
If one really thought there was a real problem, you would think they would have extremely coherent answers to at least some of our questions, you know, win over rationally thinking people. But alas, they don't, do they?
I think personally it's a little bit of fun got carried away. I mean, who hasn't had a good time listening to the Art Bell show if you had to stay up late for something? I'm betting most don't take it seriously it more of a gag you tune into once in awhile when you need to be up late, for kicks.
I've asked people, though, for a copy of these alleged government documents, so I could compare their writing style with the government documents I actually am familiar with. Of course, no such luck.
And if you or I came back with the results we found this implausible, you know they'd say one of us was just covering things, or that we weren't part of the elite and so we are just part of the machinery to keep things covered up without knowing it.
But extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. And we haven't even gotten ordinary evidence yet.
C'mon conspiracy theorists, I know you can do it, now let's see what you got. Oh, and you may want to leave out the fiction about the Satanic cannibal whore feasts that sound like something from Tarzan and the Leopard Men or some such novel.
See, that's what bugs me, all the anonomous sources. I do admit to getting a kick out of Coast to Coast A M though. It's entertaining.
I haven't had much time to research any of this because I'm focusing on going back to school so I haven't been focusing much on entertainment lately. Sorry to have started something that I'm not going to be able to finish but finally, life has taken a turn in a productive and exciting direction for me. Woot woot!
cody, that's true. why I wrote 1812, I don't know... Even so, I should have written that a lot better. Essentially the argument is that the ship couldn't have been taken out the way history suggests, because it exploded from the inside, out, not from the outside in.
Ah but you can have an external impact cause an internal explosion.
So let's just say for argument's sake you have a gas can in your garage. Any concussion from the outside of your garage, say a bomb for example, would cause the gas can to both explode and ignite inside.
It's the same with the twin towers: Aircraft full of jet fuel crash into the side of the building. This causes several very physical reactions, including concussion, vibration, and of course the fires from the jet fuel itself. This concussion and vibration in a steel-girded structure could quite easily set off explosions in the building which would then cause the building to emplode from the inside out. You needn't be a supporter of government to acknowledge the raw science of this.
Science aside, something I've wondered is if the terrorists actually conceived of this: Do damage that could cause chain reaction emplosion damage, so the best part from their perspective is having a bunch of conspiracy theorists who operate science-free, apparently, to run around claiming it's the government who did this. My only reason for not believing that is I'm not sure the terrorists had the adequate physics and explosives education to think that one all the way through.
Ships, buildings and aircraft have exploded for years, people imagining it was some inside job because they don't understand the chain reactions set off by concussion, vibration and fire.
As usually happens, the science is more boring than the fantasy. But that is why it's fantasy, right?
Your so-called experts sound good on the surface and speak a bit of truth on these shows, but conveniently leave out a lot. Just as they did during the so-called y2k debacle.
This doesn't make me a sheeople, nor does it make me some naïve one thinking the government is all good or anything. As I've said, government is a machine to be tuned and tweaked and updated constantly.
It does, however, make me a realist.
leo, i have never mentioned any ,"satanic" malarce. i have posted the u tube links to the femma camps. and the caskets. along with the links to the"agenda 21." your arguement about the top one percent needing us. we are now a global economy. we are not truely needed. look at the present economic embargo. food stamps for millions of americans have been decreased. entitlement programs. not called "entitlement" programs when conceived. now have been stained. anyone who receives these types of assistance is now working the system, they are lazy, they need to get a job. this is setting up the foundation for what could be a starving out of the lowest of thepopulation who are replaced in a matter of years. baby's are being born thousands a day. how long will it take for the machineryto replace 33 million americans who are on entitlement protrams? whats cheaper an eldery person or a new born to maintaine?
as for the nsa, well keep on beleving our civil rights are not being taken away. you asked for proof. the patriot act, phizer warrents and courts, secret courts. you still dont believe? it is easier to be blind then to have sight.
Oh like most people, I have serious concerns about the NSA, big data - the data industrial complex, the Patriot Act which was conceived of before 9/11.
However, your conspiracy theorists are often the ones who use the term entitlements as a stain. They're in your churches and political Right organizations, and make up 60% of your entitlements users, more in exclusively Bible Belt areas.
The NSA overreaching is a problem inherent to the way we create governmental organizations without representational oversight. Meaning, we create organizations where members of government appoint heads of these organizations which make a lot of rules that your Congress could not. Our Founders would weep if there truly is some sort of afterlife and they could see over to here, like some spiritual types think, then our Founders must believe they are in Hell watching what has become of their creation.
The lack of representation is the huge part. I agree that the benefits people are in trouble, and this is not some conspiracy it is near and dear to the hearts of Alex Jones, Rush Limbaugh and a lot of others. Considering who makes up a majority of entitlements users, it should not surprise you that the largest entitlement increase actually came from George W. Bush in 2003, who, by the way, instituted the living will counseling, what his own subscribers later called 'death panels'.
I can't look at myself in the mirror and call myself intellectually blind on this issue. Nor am I a cynic. Skeptical? Absolutely yes. But skepticism is not and never has been cynicism.
Things like the Ashcroft catastrophes, NSA's overreaching, and so on, are pretty out in the open. We have no need of Bilderbergs to understand any of this.
Overreaching always happens where representation does not exist. And the likes of Ashcroft, who many of us doubted when he was first appointed, was the lover boy of all your fundamentalist churches. I was in Florida at the time of his appointment and what passes for service. I saw how people just thought he was the greatest thing since sliced bread, and those of us with the foresight to seriously question what was going on, well, I and some friends, were summarily told we were siding with the beast. "Bark at the Moon," I guess.
But none of that is a conspiracy. It's all very misguided, and pretty fully known, but so long as people continue to side with their churches and other groupthink organizations, it will continue to happen under their noses, while people tell them any problems are the result of Bilderbergs and Rothschilds.
It is this that I challenge.
Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar...
Leo, I think this.
All of these people you mention who are on benefits are being given the money they're spending and not working for it. They serve no purpose, no one gains or loses from them. So if someone were to force them to work tedious jobsfit for even more expensive machines, someone would still be taking care of them, but instead of feeding the same money back in to the system, they'd be lessening the workload on people who don't want to take it.